51 - DJ Awesome

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_02]: At the intersection of true crime and real estate, you'll find Crime Estate.

[00:00:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Heather, and my name is Elena, as real estate agents and true crime junkies we view crimes through a different lens.

[00:00:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So walk through the door of some of the most notorious true crimes with us.

[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And discover how sometimes the scene of the crime has its own story to tell.

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey y'all, it's another day which means we have another Crime State episode for you.

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm joined as always by my dear friend in Villa Real Estate Agent Elena.

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey Heather, and of course we have our trio. It would not be complete without our producer and commentator Melanie, he brings all the fun facts.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey guys, I'm ready to talk some true crime and real estate with all of you.

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so today's story, ladies, takes us to Atlanta, Georgia where we peel back the curtain on the city's music scene.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Now Elena, I know you're a huge fan of live music, a male-your-son.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually I should say all of our sons are very, they're really quite the musicians.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But if you had to choose what would be your favorite genre of music.

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Definitely 90s alternative.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay. So like what are kids play on their band?

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Offspring, offspring, I like Lincoln Park, all of them.

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Just anything that was on the, on the, was it the edge in the 90s big pain of, okay, what about email?

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I will say I probably lean a lot of 90s alternative.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_00]: More like, like Nirvana, I definitely do the rock.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I like some coffee house music and I will admit that I do like Texas country would not to be confused

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_00]: but Nashville country, Texas country as it's a Johnny Cash kind of,

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Jordan Nelson, Georgia Walker, Robert or Key, and Lyle Love it.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, some of those kind of country.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But I do like a little bit of everything.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I love the fact that my 16-year-old, I love to listen to the Beatles.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, you know what? Hey, I can get behind it. I enjoy it.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_00]: But I have feeling this is probably a different genre of music than maybe we typically listen to

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_00]: but we like it a little bit of everything.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so apparently if you are looking to be someone or anyone in the realm of hip hop

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: at Lanta is the place to be. In particular, the key to start them lies with the DJs in the clubs

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: who control which new singles get played and look, I know a little bit about a lot of things

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: but I knew absolutely nothing about the club scene in Atlanta before I started researching this episode.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't really see grinding in the clubs even in your young hot days.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I'd really like to take a fence to that on a bet.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You're spot on. I would love to see it though.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. Yeah, you and everybody else. Anyway, for the purposes of today's story,

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: let's take a little trip to club on ExynetLena which is not only a dance club playing all of the latest hip hop music

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: but also a strip club catering to the Atlanta.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Was not expecting that? No, and so apparently in Atlanta the strip clubs are like the place for music

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: and they are very high end. They have their own chefs and this is not like the 299 buffet strip clubs.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Like an exynetLena's? Yeah, no, I mean, I know very little about that so I should not speak out of turn

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_00]: but I did note that the Atlanta strip club scene is huge because all the celebrities you would always see them going in

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_00]: out of the strip clubs but like they were like heavy arm the club as well as the strip that makes different

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think we don't know if we I mean we don't have a lot of strip clubs and Dallas, but I don't think we have something

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_00]: that is similar to the Atlanta to the Atlanta scene. So they had like live music and stuff like that.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: No, well they have DJ DJ's. Okay. Okay. Okay. Got it. Yeah.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So according to an article I read in the Atlanta Journal Constitution, historically the system worked like this.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: A rap artist would approach a strip club DJ and ask often with some form of compensation to have their record played.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Hit the DJ agreed and the ideal scenario the song would play the dancers would have this positive reaction and they would move enthusiastically to the music.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: The article says customers would also be happy and respond by spending more money and a star could be born.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, I just had to go back to said, just because the dancers would have a positive reaction and move enthusiasm.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's all you write about dancers.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I just respectable publication like wow. Okay. That's a turn of phrase.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So the article goes on to say DJ will said radio program directors would tell him and other DJs to go out and see which records were maybe making people excited.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_02]: If they're crowd liked it they might add the song into the programming rotation on the air.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And ask if the stations DJ staff knew how to get in touch with the artist to get a clean radio friendly version.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And if that didn't happen there was also the chance that the DJ or someone else present in the strip club was connected to the music industry

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_02]: and realize that this amateur rap song had the potential to be a hit single.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So those power players might even be in the club and witness it for themselves and also be able to spot an uncut diamond ready to be polished into a hip hop hit article finishes.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So there are actually a lot of examples of this many of the songs I didn't know but the one that jumped out of me was the hit.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it there it is.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: There it is.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it got it started in Atlanta strip club and as you might imagine, this whole pay for play system was not exactly like 100% above board.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And both the artist and the DJs often found themselves scurrying the wrong side of the law.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_02]: One, I think maybe it was a date line episode I listened to about this said that like the DJs would really be encouraging people to spend more money.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: They'd be like, oh, you know, you love this song come on, you can tip bigger than this and the strippers would actually have to sweep cash off the floors in between songs so that they didn't slip on the dollar bill.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So in the fall of 2013 several prominent Atlanta DJs.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Found themselves the victims of crimes.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_02]: One experienced slash tires and other had their home broken into and then in January of 2014 DJ Nando was shot and killed at his home shortly after returning from work.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_02]: The DJs and Taylor nervous and wondered if they were being targeted by someone in the music industry with a grudge.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was going to ask, why were they targets?

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, presumably I think their thought process was they chose not to play somebody else.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And that person was upset about that.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Gotcha. And I was just thinking maybe they were kind of living a little bit on the edges of criminal activity.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's absolutely accurate as well.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And so when another DJs family was targeted in a home invasion that year authorities immediately suspected a connection to the prior crimes.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_02]: On November 23rd someone broke into the home of DJ Awesome and murdered his wife Tiffany Jackson Pew who was only 30 years old.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Now Tiffany and her husband Andre Pew, otherwise known as DJ Awesome, had been together for several years having first met when the two were working for Delta Airlines.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's unclear to me what Andre did at Delta, but Tiffany was a commodities manager and by all accounts was a rising star at Delta headquarters.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: After four years of dating the two welcomed a daughter and they married not long after her birth and then went on to have another son together in 2013.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_02]: With a growing family, the two moved into a new home at 3782 Lake Havenway in the East Point neighborhood of Atlanta.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Now according to the ATL Rilty website, East Point is a historic city that sits just south of downtown Atlanta and north of the Hartstill Jackson Atlanta International Airport.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_02]: The city has seen its ups and downs throughout the decades, but these days many young people are saying goodbye to Atlanta's high cost of living and moving to East Point.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Barry modeling old homes, resort, excuse me, restoring the city's charm and creating an exciting new server that is just minutes away from all of it, Atlanta's business and entertainment opportunities.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And I did look a little bit at this neighborhood and it definitely seems like an early 2010s subdivision where kind of like a little bit larger homes three to 4,000 square feet.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of cold ass acts you know kind of like a master plan kind of a newer development neighborhood kind of like two car garages upfront not not alleyway rear.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a nice middle-class neighborhood definitely probably very exciting for them to be moving into this.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're absolutely right so the home that Tiffany and Andre purchased was built in 2012.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's really what I consider to be like the height of new construction for that era, you know, it had an open concept kitchen and living room and had a really nice higher in kitchen nice bathrooms with dual sinks and like a shower and tub.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, great home for them, given they're growing family.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But considering all the crimes that were happening in that DJ community, Andre went ahead and had seven security cameras installed around the home.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And like we have security cameras in our home, but really 2024 this is 14 years passed a seven security cameras in 2012 was by the day I definitely did not have one at that time period.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So on the night of November 23, Andre was DJing club on exynetlina and was alerted to an issue at the house when the security alarm went off at his home somewhere between 530 and 545 AM.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm obviously not today on the Atlanta strip club scene, but that sounds pretty late or I don't know pretty early and to be continuing to be working.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't realize that the DJs were still at almost 530 in the morning.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, I felt so too, but like the more research I did, it sounds like that was sort of the pretty standard time for him to wrap up.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just assuming like the club closes at 2 to 30 and then you've got like equipment to cut and then they got all that cash to like sweep them off the floor.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean there's, you know, there's the business of running your business after the club shaft down anything.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And they guess this wouldn't surprise me. I guess it took me back when I, yeah, but apparently Andre was still holding down another job at this point. So how he was working to like 5 and 530 in the morning and then getting up and going to work I have no idea.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Now when the call from the alarm company came in, Andre told them, go ahead and just disarm the alarm so that it doesn't wake up my kids. Remember they have a little boy and a little girl, you know toddlers at this point.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And I also read he actually had a third child as well that was visiting and staying at the house.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I didn't yet.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I did know he had a third child from a previous relationship, but I didn't realize the kid was at the house.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_00]: That's where I read a one article.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, yeah, just go ahead and turn off the blazing alarm so it doesn't wake people up.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_02]: We actually this weekend we traveled out of town to pick up our son from camp and about 5 a.m. are alarm went off.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And I forgot to tell my parents who were watching our dogs that it like set automatically.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And so they didn't set it when they went to bed, but then it set overnight and they got up to let the dogs out.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, completely understandable.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, we were lucky the police didn't show up. I couldn't remember our password.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: My husband was really annoyed with me. I was like, it's 5.15. I have no idea what the password is.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, sorry. I digress sometimes I do that.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So he talks to the alarm company. He tells him to shut off the alarm and then he tries to call home and reach Tiffany.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But he's unable to get in contact with her.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So he calls his good friend and his right hand man at the club Adrian and asked to meet him at the house all the while,

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_02]: like speeding home and speaking to 911 on the way.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, just as a little bit of background, Adrian was sort of considered to be Andre's like backup man.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_02]: He was the guy who the recording artist would reach out to at the club.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: He would exchange money with him in order to get their singles played by DJ Awesome.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So these recording artists aren't like walking up to the DJ booth.

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, there is this middle man that they have to talk to.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, yeah, for the right amount of money, I will take your money.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I will give the single. So that was the role he played.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's also not crazy to me that like DJ Awesome would reach out to him and say,

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, hey, meet me at the house. They had just been together at work. He knew he was up.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think he rationalized there just be easy to get the help there.

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_02]: When the police arrived at the Puhome, Andre was outside the house upset and yelling that his kids were inside.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_02]: He told the police that he had gone inside but had not seen his children and or he didn't want to wake them up.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a little confused that story changes. It seems like now on a stop right here and say,

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: If I thought something was going on in my house and my kid was inside,

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_02]: you couldn't hold me back from going into that house and finding them and making sure they're okay.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, do you all think it's weird that he didn't find his children when he went inside?

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and what's beyond so this is like five thirty in the morning. Like, I know this is probably like late for some and

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm not generally up at five thirty in the morning but it's not like not it's not two AM.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not two AM. This is like there's activity like my knee,

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Brazil leaving the house at that time.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So so he so what happened was he got there before the police went inside didn't see anyone came out and met the police outside.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That's correct. Okay.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Remember that story we did the one in Houston.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking about that one where the husband comes up to the front door and see,

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and this was the middle of the daytime and sees the door wide open and he thought his wife was at home.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And so he called the police before going into the house.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I had the exact same thought, doors, Angleton.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Houston was her name.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I don't know that's just very good.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But he had his daughters with him, which is sort of the, the cat action, right? Like he had kids with him.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the minute you don't find your children, like the police would have found me in that,

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_02]: and that had looking for my kids.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: However, when the police arrive and go inside,

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: they do sadly find Tiffany shot to death at close range in her bed.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And they also find her two-year-old son, cleaning her body.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: That's heartbreaking.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It is so heartbreaking.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I actually can't think about it too much because it just makes my mom,

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: heart, like, turn upside down.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: When the police removed the child from his mom's bed,

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_02]: he clung to his dad and wouldn't go to anyone else,

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_02]: which is how father and son ended up being questioned together

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: at the police station later that evening.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So they didn't really question the kid.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. Like when he was there, he was there.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And initially this looked like a home invasion gone wrong.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: While no shell casings were found at the scene,

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: there was a downstairs window screen that had been cut open.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But no valuables were taken.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It appeared that the invader came directly into the house

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_02]: and had gone straight to Tiffany's room to shoot her.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Andre told the police that unless the person who broke into the home

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: had been into his house several times,

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: they wouldn't know where the security cameras were

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_02]: in order to avoid them.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_02]: He said they were very well hidden and would not have been obvious

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: to an intruder.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But unfortunately the tapes didn't show anyone entering

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_02]: or exiting the house.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Not even Andre, despite the fact that he had told the police earlier

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: that he had gone inside to check on things.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: The tape did show a car slowly driving by the house

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_02]: on Lake Havenway, not once.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Not even twice, but three times beginning at 4.45am.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: All of this timing matched up with the approximate time

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_02]: of Tiffany's murder.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: But sounds like a promising lead.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, but despite their best efforts,

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_02]: they really couldn't make out the exact make and model of the car

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: or the license plate.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_02]: They were only able to tell that the car was most likely black

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and had a broken front light.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But their luck was about to change.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_02]: A neighbor also had exterior security cameras

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: and he had a much better view of the vehicle.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Or should I say, Elena?

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Vehicles.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Interact.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very interesting.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a dot dot dot.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I like that.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a criminal.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I've never been a criminal.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That's good.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you want to be with that for us?

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But I would be if there's cameras everywhere.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way, how do people get away with stuff?

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Like today?

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like then I get that.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_01]: There weren't cameras everywhere.

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, a decade ago.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I wanted to think things have changed a lot.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_00]: But then remember the Canada realtor story that we talked about

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_00]: and how no cameras picked up the saline.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_00]: It was in the middle of the day.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know how all that works out.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I've got cameras at my house, but they're not going to be getting the

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_00]: street.

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I need to invest in better cameras.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I've cameras if you're coming to my front porch,

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_00]: but I mean, I think it normally all we get there is a lot of cats

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_00]: and then I don't know where all these cats are coming from.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_00]: But like more out of town, we're like, oh, you know,

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_00]: my husband's like looking at it.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, another cat.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Another cat.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_00]: We're like, we're all these cats and why did they come over to our front porch at 3am?

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That's hilarious.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think we definitely had a Christmas this year.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: One of my neighbors had a ton of Amazon packages still in front of her house.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And so she had the ring camera and she was like, look,

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: they delivered them at 302.

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw that.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw somebody come up at 304.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And so between the neighbors on our street,

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: we have a pretty quiet street.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's easy to see like when people drive down the street on the cameras.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, yep, so Amazon truck passed my house at 305.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And then this car passed at 306.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they were literally following the Amazon truck.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And so, but we weren't able to make out like a license plate or anything.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's cute.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I can just see you in like a group chat.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, our girl that I did.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like in screen shot in like,

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, look.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, three.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_02]: This is what I have.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, you know, you've got a decent size front yard.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it, I think it would be pretty.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're aiming at people coming to your front house.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Because they're not aiming for the car going across the street.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly right.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And okay, so what investigators saw on this new video helped them blow the case wide open.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_02]: The second vehicle in the video,

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Belonged a Tiffany's husband, Andre Pue.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So do we know if they've been having problems in the mirror?

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Was he having an affair?

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, when it is a story as old as time.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, only two weeks before the murder, Tiffany had consulted with a divorce attorney.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, text messages between Tiffany and Andre show that Tiffany was planning to move out of the house.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And Andre was desperately trying to convince her not to leave.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_02]: While simultaneously trying to figure out how to refinance the house in his name.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So side note, report show that Tiffany was the breadwinner and Andre really couldn't afford the house on his own.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And also, he was hooking up with other women while Tiffany was out of town.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to say except for if you want to repair your marriage,

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe don't keep hooking up with women in the process.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think that's a solid point.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And look, this story actually brings up some pertinent real estate-related discussion points.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when couples are going through a divorce or considering a divorce,

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_02]: figuring out how to divide up the asset of the house,

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: which in many cases is going to be a couple's largest asset.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Can be really challenging.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, as one partner going to buy the other partner out and stay in the house is the couple going to sell the house and divide the asset.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_02]: If so, who's going to stay in the house during the divorce proceedings, who pays the mortgage during that time?

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's a lot to figure out.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Something a house can be stressful just by itself, but pair that with the divorce.

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot for anyone person to handle.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_00]: For many two-in-com families, I mean, you know, they can afford the home on two-in comes.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_00]: They cannot afford it with just one person working.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And so, I mean, a lot of folks, I know who've gotten divorced.

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_00]: They may train staying at first for a short period of time,

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_00]: but ultimately, it's not appropriate.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_00]: They can't afford it once they divorce.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I'd just say, like, if this is a life event you're experiencing,

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_02]: no that we recommend finding both a good divorce attorney and a good real estate agent to help you navigate the process.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, Andre Pugh did not take this advice.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Instead thought that he could just fix his problems by eliminating his wife from the equation.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only way that Beckett worked out.

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, obviously. It's an easy...

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I read that he actually was trying to refinance us to get only his name on the mortgage,

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_00]: but because of his credit problems, he could not do that.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and let's face it. He probably had a lot of cash income.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was not reported in the mortgage company.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Can't you ask me like, here's my briefcase full of cash to your lender.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sort of constantly amazed by how stupid people are.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And Andre here is no exception. You see, he thought he had the perfect alibi.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: He'd been at club on XDJ and all night, but his best friend, Adrian Harley,

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_02]: didn't have the same story.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: After finding the inconsistencies and Andre story, they got a warrant for his cell phone,

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_02]: where they found evidence as to the deep fractures in their marriage.

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But even more, they found that Adrian and Andre were on their phones moments before Tiffany's murder.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: When they secured Adrian's phone, they even found that he was very near Tiffany's house as well

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_02]: at the time of the murder.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, when investigators took a closer look at that video from the neighbor's house,

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_02]: they were able to determine that it was Adrian and Andre's cars in the cold sack

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_02]: next to the house the night of the murder.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Investigators theorized that Andre hired Adrian to break into his home and murder his wife.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_02]: A crime was supposed to look like a burglary gone wrong,

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_02]: but the neighbor's video showed that the perpetrator was in and out of the house

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_02]: in less than three minutes.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Partly enough time to make it seem like a real burglary.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_02]: In three minutes, the intruder would have only had time to enter the house,

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_02]: go to the target, commit the crime, and lead.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_02]: In December 2014, Andre was arrested quickly and later sentenced to life in prison.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Andre eventually convicted Andre on all counts nearly four years after Tiffany

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: pused murder for hire.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_02]: The counts included murder, possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony,

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and other charges per the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_02]: He then received a life sentence in prison without the possibility of parole.

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, Adrian did not stand trial until 2022,

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: and I really can't figure out why it did some research on that.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like a really long time after the fact,

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_02]: but he was also ultimately sentenced to life in prison for his role in the murder of Tiffany pused.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Hold on.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So Andre is the one who has the murder.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, but they think Adrian committed the murder at the behest of Andre.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's weird that he was not until 2022 that he was tried.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Because this was what 24 years ago.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And because they were arrested, both, they were actually arrested in December 2014 together at club onks.

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_00]: They went in and got them in.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So how did he six years later finally go on trial,

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_00]: especially when the other guy, you know,

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_00]: that husband was tried and convicted with the tears?

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Our court system has challenges, I think.

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_00]: We all know that.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't get that.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_00]: But one of the things that just struck me, and I don't know when these like,

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, those little tidbit facts that just sort of like drive it home to you.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Was the fact that when I read that Adrian had been a Paul Barra, Barra and Tiffany's funeral.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Like in the days right afterwards.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you read the obituary, it was kind of like a loving obituary with her husband and children, et cetera.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it just made it.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And nothing can make it feel worse, but it just felt like, oh shit, you know.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like she was disrespecting it even.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, it just was like really like that.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And I also read that Tiffany's mother had died in June of 2014.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So she'd only passed away, young in her early 50s, a couple of months before her daughter

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_00]: then is brutally murdered.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, hold on, let me say to that, Mel.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So that was actually like the turning point for Tiffany.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So her mom got pneumonia and I want to say she was maybe an Arizona.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And so when dad called Tiffany flew out to be at the hospital with her mom and she passed away

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_02]: very unexpectedly.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And Andre flew out just for the funeral and then like flew right back home.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And so when she saw that like, hey, you're not here to support me during this time of need,

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_02]: they had had their ups and downs over the years.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_02]: She had actually left him once and come back.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But that was like the final straw for her.

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, I didn't realize that.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't know the truth of this matter, but I did see some reddit.

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't, I don't know.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I am hesitant to quoted, but there was comments based upon some viewing of one of the shows

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_00]: that I could not find the actual source material that his family actually has custody

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_00]: of the children to this day and that there were some complaints that her family did not get access

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_00]: to them.

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so do you all want to know what happened to the house?

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, yes, please.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I can tell you a little bit about this because I was researching it on the couch last night.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, all my family.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my family is out of town.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So I was multitasking researching this.

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so looking at the record, the home was actually put into foreclosure in the fall.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, of 2015 by Wells Fargo.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And obviously Tiffany had long passed, you know, you're prior to this, but the other legal documents

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_00]: for the foreclosure and you guys may be more familiar with reading these actually listed her name

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_00]: as, you know, they were going out for closure for Tiffany P.

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I think they, oh, she probably is past away, but it listed one other name as well.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And not Andre, it was Wayne, why no NES P.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And why no NES goes by, why?

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_00]: P.O. is actually Andre's mother and today she's in her late 70s and lives in Queens, New York.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Now I couldn't tell exactly if she had co-signed on the home loan originally, and that's was on the documents.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Or if maybe she was an executor of the estate.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm leaning towards the fact that she might have been a co-signer on the original.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And one because we knew that he was not on the mortgage because of credit issues.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_00]: But two, I found some old property information that we're talking about this, you know, the home and her name was on it from the very beginning.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if this is the fact of fiction, but that was how I read into it.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Which, you know, isn't totally uncommon that maybe a family member might help to co-sign on a loan, especially for a first home home.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_00]: There were quite a few listings for the house in early 2015.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Remember that a sequence of event was the murder was in November 2014 and there was definitely several different realtors and price changes going on.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_00]: The way I read into it was that it didn't maybe it did not sell traditionally.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And then fell into foreclosure because the executors of the estate, you know, wasn't going to pay for this at that time.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_00]: It was around 300,000 for the home.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And so then eventually went into foreclosure in October and then somebody then I could see bought it in late 2015.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think they quickly flipped it because then like the real then in 2016, like February, someone bought it for about 300,000.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And I saw the real trollest thing and I was talking all about it being newly renovated from top to bottom.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, shocking.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if you know, I may be reading a little bit into the timeline there but that didn't seem to be like it seemed kind of like not out of the ordinary that maybe somebody tried to sell it could not sell it.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Especially if they were dealing with their state, flippers come in, do a little bit of minor painting renovation and they're able to sell it.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But I do want to ask you guys and I know either of you have sold a home with a murder thank God.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know what happens when in your experience is when someone's passed away like, you know how the mortgage company doesn't care as long as they're getting paid.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the person died without an action plan and place for their death.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't know so they would not be privy to that information.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not like checking obituaries and things.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So as long as they're getting paid, they don't know unless there's a state plan in place and someone is going to make money off of it.

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean I think that's right. Like typically the estate handles it. I mean you're going to want to probate you know the will and all of that assuming there's like you said one in place.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean we're talking about 30 year olds like I mean yeah they've really.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I mean if you're a DJing for a living like putting together will is probably not the top of your priority list.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean that is that awful of me? I just feel like maybe you're not like a super adult at that point or still like living like a young.

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You know this is sort of reminding me that maybe I need to be working on a well. So you cannot have a will.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_02]: You have to have a will.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you're going to email us tonight before you leave.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I was adamant that we have a will as soon as our son was born and I think we've mentioned my husband's an attorney although he doesn't do like family law stuff.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I kept asking him I was like would you please write when up would you please write when up?

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh our will is through legal zoom which you know if you don't have assets like

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: you don't we don't have anything fancy right like we have our house.

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_02]: We have one kid.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_02]: We know who we want to take care of the kid like legal zoom actually worked pretty well for us.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe I mean this is sort of like I mean I have like you know life insurance and but you're right like

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean it would take a while to go through a propate before you know that they would be automatically debuting my mortgage.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Well that's the thing like a few months I guess to let us point like they want to be paid so as long as the estate continues to pay

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_02]: them while they're like processing everything that's fine if not it's going to go into foreclosure.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I could absolutely see that being a very normal thing even for with people who do have life insurance

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_00]: is that you know just if it the way it's not set up.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm and look given I mean this crime was very well publicized in Atlanta at the time

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_02]: so the estate probably would have had a hard time selling the house you know they hadn't lived there long enough to have a ton of equity in it

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So then you've got to figure out like what do we need to pay off the mortgage and and you know pay the fees associated with the sale

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Like that it's the great amount of the time lived in Queens New York nowhere narrowly into I mean I could.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_00]: This does not seem improbable that it would come for sure.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_02]: All right ladies well it's time for the question of each episode would you live there or would you list it?

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Atlanta let's start with you.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I would live there I'd list I don't you know what I don't know if I'd let the part with the baby

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_01]: cleaning to her really hurt my heart real bad more than even the murder

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so on either no okay.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean I at my vibes are always when their children involved so I have a hard time with anything with the with the children

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And then the business side me would also say this wouldn't would be really hard to sell so I might get it in my you know because it wasn't a super music cuthouse for for that area, but it was not a high value

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like it would be a lot of work for a low return investment.

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So I definitely wouldn't live there.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it would depend on my relationship with whoever was managing the estate like if I felt like that I could help that person.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Then I think I would list it but if you know I felt like the person was not interested in getting to the end result or.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You know maybe not sympathetic to what had happened then I think I'd be out.

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it would depend on that relationship.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I felt like it would be a good point.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_00]: At some point you're wanting me you're looking at two small children toddlers and you would want to be able to put them into as good as you know financial position.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So like you know like coming around when you talk about it that way you're right like I would want to help out the children.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Warsaw then it would be it I don't know maybe I'm being a little too emotional about it.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_02]: No I think I think that's a fair point and look if we have learned nothing we have learned that we are emotional about our decisions in every one of these houses and you know I think that's a good point because.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Real estate is both emotional and analytical not just for us but for really everybody who's purchasing or selling a home so 100% agree.

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I'm part counselor.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah absolutely.

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And marriage therapist.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And handyman.

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes well.

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's in the house and you send your husband.

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay look you're a hand you're a conduit.

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes that's right.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I always say anything I like source out I get credit for.

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh because I handled it like that's how we do things at this house like if the house is clean because the housekeeper came and I coordinated the housekeeper though.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I getting ready for the house being leaving is I took charge of that situation.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I like that.

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I like it.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Hold on you didn't tell so your favorite music genre was.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean do you really have to ask country yeah for sure I figured but I want to make it official.

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah on real is definitely country.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_02]: My boys hate it so much.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_01]: They oh I bet they do.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah they're real into music and there's you know.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I could see that not.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah yeah my kids like to make up country songs about you know you know all the stereotypes that took the book and the beer and my dog.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_00]: All that type of stuff I'm like that's not that type of country I listen to they're like every song it's like that.

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I do you have.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah George straight was my favorite.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I'm a little bit more straight.

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Well because he's Texas country yeah sure he qualifies all right well that is it for today's crime estate episode we hope you all enjoyed it

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