66 - Deaths in Delaware Minisode

[00:00:04] At the intersection of true crime and real estate, you'll find Crime Estate. I'm Heather. And my name is Elena. As real estate agents and true crime junkies, we view crimes through a different lens. So walk through the door of some of the most notorious true crimes with us and discover how sometimes the scene of the crime has its own story to tell. Hey y'all, welcome back to another episode of Crime Estate. I'm Heather and I'm joined

[00:00:30] as always by my dear friend, fellow realtor, Elena and our co-host. Nope. Well, I guess we just elevated Melanie to co-host. Usually she is a producer and commentator and also a dear friend. There's no audition process. It's amazing when you just say yes, let me help. Yeah. So hi guys. How are you? Good to see y'all tonight. Good seeing y'all. How is it going?

[00:00:55] It's good. It's good. So this is our second time trying to film the podcast. We'll see how it goes. I'm going to have to keep one eye on the script, one eye on the cameras and one eye on the recording. So yeah, this is going to test me. Yeah. And we're also recording our second episode of the evening, trying to get a little bit ahead. Which means fourth drink of the evening.

[00:01:21] Yeah, maybe. And I made that one that you're drinking now. So I don't measure. And it's large. It's a big one. Yeah. You gave me a big one. If you're watching like live, you can see how big it is. I just have a glass of wine. I'm just so like, you know. So demure. Demure. What's that catchphrase? Which one? So demure. So. Kitsy? No. It's a Kitsy. No, it's a TikTok. Come on. Hold on. I bet the mind. Mindful.

[00:01:51] Mindful. I think you're right. Demure. So mindful. All right. Well, we're really not off to a great start. I'm sorry. Blame it on Alana's fourth drink. She poured for me, not for you. Anyway, we're so glad y'all are joining us again. We're really excited about the new year. And we have some fun things coming up for the podcast. And we will be dropping today's episode on January 20th, which is Inauguration Day.

[00:02:19] So we thought it was only fitting that we covered a story in Delaware, which is where President Biden will be residing post-election, we think, right? Or post-inauguration? Yes. Well, and I like to think that we're that plan ahead. But really, you had covered a case in Delaware. We're like, oh, when are we going to drop it? Oh, Inauguration Day. Oh, no, that did not happen. Is that what you're saying? I'm saying that's like this was just happens. Oh, right. Yes.

[00:02:49] Pure coincidence. I mean, it sounds like we really had our act together, but we did not. No, not at all. Not in the least. But we're covering a story in Delaware today. We'll be in Delaware, and that's where President Biden, who's now leaving office, is from. And you know something. Have you been to Delaware? Melanie's been everywhere. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, Delaware, remember, is very close to Washington, D.C., Virginia area.

[00:03:13] In fact, you know, when President Biden was a senator, he would actually still go home all the time to Delaware by the train until he would just take the train there. You know, Delaware, I didn't know much about Delaware until I lived in the D.C. area. And it's a very popular beach community.

[00:03:34] And so a lot of the young 20-somethings, kind of like, okay, in New York City, they might all go and have houses on the Jersey Shore or in the Hamptons or Long Island Beach. In D.C., they all go to Dewey Beach and have beach houses that they all like live like six, seven people in a house for the summer. And every Friday they would go.

[00:04:00] So, yeah, so I've been to a couple different places in Delaware. A friend of mine has a beach house there. It's very, very lovely. But, yeah, it's one of those areas that you would not necessarily know about or have been to if you aren't in that area of the world. So how did you come up with a story in Delaware? So I sometimes when I can't think of what to do, I'll search crimes that happen in homes in and I think of a city or state.

[00:04:28] And so I thought, well, I don't think we've done anything in Delaware. So I'll do Delaware. But at first I did North Dakota and South Dakota, which nothing happens there, by the way. Not a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, well, what's another little one? So I thought of Delaware. And there was a lot that happened in Delaware. Though I want to go back to what you were saying about Delaware. I feel like if I threw any state out there, you would have something to add. Is that true? Melanie's just very well-traveled and well-researched.

[00:04:58] I have nothing to add about the Dakotas. Okay. So I will challenge myself to try and find a good story for us to use this about. Yes, I love it. And if you're listening and if you have something, if you know something that happened in one of the Dakotas, let's know. Because I want to do something from there. How can they tell us, Elena, if they want to suggest an episode? Social media, Instagram.com slash, no, Facebook.com slash Crime Estate. What about this Crime Estate podcast at gmail.com? Or that. Yeah.

[00:05:29] Or 555. All right. Well, let's jump into it. Yeah. Okay. So, like I said, I just was Googling and found this one in Delaware and it really caught my eye because it's kind of bizarre. The home we'll be covering has had one murder, two suicide attempts, and one suicide. And also, on the same block, there was a suicide. Like in a short span of time? Within two years of each other. Yeah. Okay. So I thought that would sound interesting.

[00:05:58] You definitely won't live there. I'll go ahead and answer that question. Thank you. Yes. Nowhere. I will not be in Wilmington at all. So before we jump in, let me give you a little information on the city. It's right on the Delaware-Pennsylvania line and is most populous city in Delaware. And prior to 2018, Wilmington was consistently ranked among the most dangerous cities in the U.S.

[00:06:19] There were several other cities in the Philadelphia metro area such as Camden, Trenton, and Atlantic City, New Jersey, Chester, Pennsylvania that were also ranked. So a lot of times we cover stories that happen in these idyllic little towns. But this sounds like it was sort of a hotbed of crime. Yes. Supposedly, it's safer now than it's ever been in Wilmington. Which maybe doesn't say a lot. Right. Exactly. Yeah. But it's so true about that little area. I feel sad.

[00:06:47] We were in Baltimore several years ago and I wanted to go to Camden because that's where Walt Whitman is from. Camden, New Jersey. I'm like, oh, I have to go to Camden. And then Aaron's like, okay, we'll go to Camden. And so I'm looking it up. I'm like, oh, I don't want to go to Camden anymore. Like, it's like really scary over there. Do not take me. But anyway, it's not even on the ocean. Right. Exactly. I have lots of fears. You do. I love you so much. Yeah. Well, Wilmington, I mean, to be fair, it is well known for its tax laws.

[00:07:17] And so that is why so many different companies go there. It's a state that has made itself attractive to corporations with its business-friendly financial laws and the judicial system. So all the credit card companies basically have all moved themselves in the banks to headquarter themselves in Delaware. I love it. Silver lining, Melanie. I know. That's great. I love it.

[00:07:44] I think it'd be really cool to research because that area is so – it has been ranked among the most dangerous in the United States, the economic and social evolution of that part of the country. I agree. I think it would be super interesting. I think that's interesting to research regardless. Yeah. Like, I'm very into like the sociology, psychology kinds of – Yeah. Totally. For sure. Yeah. So our story takes place at 214 Bowtree Drive in Wilmington. The neighborhood is actually called Bowtree.

[00:08:13] I was one of Melanie's fire alerts because we're still recording. Please, God, by the time we post this, there are no more fires in LA, but Melanie's getting alerts. It was a – law enforcement was being requested. Okay. Thank you, Melanie. Totally. So the neighborhood that these things happened was also the neighborhood of Bowtree. And according to fathomrealty.com, the medium home sales price there is $241,666.

[00:08:43] Oh, my gosh. I know. I know. 666. I know. You didn't like it. I didn't like that at all. Last – but in last episode, we had an 888. Oh, you're right. We had to look up eights and sixes. Okay. So the medium household income of Bowtree neighborhood is $108,750. Okay. So that's like very much a truly middle class blue collar neighborhood. I'm not upper middle class, really. Right. Right. That's exactly what I'm thinking. So it is in 214 Bowtree Drive in Wilmington that the story starts.

[00:09:12] Nino Sciglottano lived at 214 Bowtree with his spouse Donna and their twin siblings Nino Jr. and Gina. They're kids. Yes. They're kids. And that's hard to say. Nino Jr. and Gina. Nino and Gina. That's real hard. Nino and Gina. That's really hard. And then also, to go with your blue collar idea of thought. Summation. Yes. Summation. Nino Sr. owned Kip Flooring, which was a flooring company in the community. Oh, good for him. Yeah. So the home was built in 1990.

[00:09:42] It is over 3,000 square feet with four bedrooms, two and a half baths, and two stories. And listing descriptions for the home call it a colonial style. And while it does feature some of the hallmarks of a colonial home, you know, like a rectangular or square facade and a centrally placed entrance, it doesn't have some of what you would expect to see as part of a colonial home, such as an all brick or wood facade and symmetrically placed windows. And as I'm reading this, I love your faces because you've seen the home. I have seen.

[00:10:11] I would never in a million years describe this house as a colonial. Yeah. A split level ranch. It sort of had the feel of a split level. And I don't know about the interior. But it, you know, it has siding on the exterior. That's not colonial at all. It is very much sort of a box. Right. But it doesn't. No, it's just a 90s new construction. Yes. That's exactly what I thought. I love that you said that too about the 90s.

[00:10:39] But if you look at the Google Street View, a lot of the homes around there I would classify as colonial. But that one in particular, no. Yeah. You know, I'm looking at this. I haven't looked at the exact picture of this. But I'm looking at the house like two doors down. And this to me screams Maryland, Virginia, Delaware. You know, this seems very of that area. Yeah. Totally. But, you know, it's a pretty big size. For a middle class, you know, 3,000 feet.

[00:11:09] Yeah. It's a pretty big size. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. So, it's here on September 14th of 2011 that 30-year-old twins Nino Jr. and Gina go to the home on Bow Tree and find their mom, Donna, lying on the primary bedroom floor in a state of drug overdose. According to reports, she told him, Nino, that she had killed his father and begged them to not call 911 because she did not want to go to jail. When the pair found Nino Sr. dead on the couch in the family room, they left. Okay. Wait.

[00:11:39] So, mom calls Nino Jr. They just come to the house. There's no reports that she called them. Well, you just said she called them. I did. And said, don't tell. She told them. But she was on the floor with a drug overdose. Was she talking? She was talking. Yeah. Oh, I see. Okay. My bad. So, they get to the house. I am curious why they went to the house. You don't go to the house with your sibling at 30 years old unless you're worried about something. Well, it could be that they had plans to go and she, I don't know for sure. I'm speculating. Okay.

[00:12:10] So, they get there. She says, don't call the police. Don't call the police. I just killed your dad. I don't want to go to jail. And so, they called the police. They left. Nope. Nope. That's not the way this story is supposed to go. But please continue. Nope. They found their dad and they left. So, they did return though the next day and they did notify police. I'm sorry. Of course they did. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see what happens. Let's see what happens. They came back when their mom was not dead and called the police.

[00:12:40] Okay. This is getting confusing. So, I'm going to like make sure I lay this out. They came to the house. We don't know why they came to the house, but they came to the house. Yes. And dad was dead. Mom was not dead. Not dead. But conscious enough to tell them not to call 911. Correct. Correct. So, as good kids do, they obey their mother's wishes. Do they? Is that what good kids do? I mean, yes, but not in this circumstance. Right.

[00:13:07] And so, then they go the next day and go, now, are you dead yet, mom? Right. And they're not. Thank you, Melanie. Right. Mom's not dead. They call the police. But I'm wondering what I would do in that situation. I feel like I would call police the first day I went. There are some family dynamics at play here that we don't know about yet. And I don't know that we're going to know about them, but I am just saying this does not occur without some real family dynamics. Spoiler alert.

[00:13:36] We do not find out what happened. This is going to be a really short episode. And not because I talk really fast, but because there's just not a lot of information out there. So, it's a lot of speculation. Okay. Yeah, but I still thought it was a crime worth covering. Well, my current speculation is you have two kids. You don't just have one kid making the decision not to call. You have two. Now, twins have a special bond. Mm-hmm. But you do not find your mom in a state of drug overdose and not call the paramedics. Right. And or find your dad dead.

[00:14:06] Actually, you can, like, look past the dead thing if you're worried about mom. Mm-hmm. But just to, like, leave and come back the next day and see if mom's, you know, still alive? That's weird. It's super weird. Okay. It's super weird. Okay. So, when police arrived, they found an unconscious Donna and a revolver near where she was lying. And I also want to note it contained three live and two spent rounds. So, she had shot two bullets. Correct. Okay.

[00:14:33] And also, she could have shot herself. There were bullets left to shoot herself. Right. Had she chosen to do so? Correct. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. So, Donna was taken to the hospital where she allegedly told a hospital employee that she obtained a gun and used it on her husband as he slept on the couch. Donna was arrested and charged with first-degree murder and possession of a deadly weapon during the commission of a felony. According to an attorney for Donna, she suffered from multiple undiagnosed mental health issues and was a battered spouse.

[00:15:01] But because Donna pleaded no contest, there were no court records that I could refer to for evidence of this claim. And for what it's worth, Nino Sr.'s older sister stated at the time that that was not the case and that Donna was manipulative and evil. Of course. I mean, you do expect the best from like your own siblings. Right. Somebody said that about my brother. I'd be like, no. Oh, that's not him. Right. And unfortunately, there's no evidence of the claim. So, there's not much we can do other than spec. So, the kids never went on record about this. No. No.

[00:15:31] And actually, as of a podcast that Nino Jr. was on not that long ago, he said, as far as he knows, there was no reason for this to happen. He has no idea. There was no problems in the family. There was no money. There was nothing. He has no idea. Okay. Yeah. I'm trying to process if you speak. Right.

[00:15:53] Because I can actually see the case, like if your dad has been abusing your mom for 30 years and you've been witness to it, that when you come in and he's dead, you're just like, okay, I'm going to tiptoe out. Yeah. I mean, it's probably still not what you should do. Right. But I can see a reason for doing it that way. Right. Yeah, for sure.

[00:16:14] So, as part of a plea deal that Donna took, she was sentenced to 15 years in prison for second degree murder, which means that she committed a homicide with intent or extreme recklessness, but without premeditation. Sounds like a pretty good deal given everything for like 15 years. Yeah. That's a really sweet deal. What was she like? Probably 55 at the time? 60? She was 60. 60? Okay. Yeah. So, it still could be a life sentence. Right. Yeah. Okay. So, this is an it for the family and the home at 214 Bowtree Drive. More happens.

[00:16:44] Okay. But before you get into this, we still don't know why Donna killed him. Like I said, as far as Nino Jr. knows, he has no idea, but his mom did say that she was on a mix of Xanax and alcohol. And she doesn't remember anything, which I've been on Xanax and alcohol before. It doesn't make that. I have to. Yeah. I was going to say you, but I didn't want to. Someone we all know and love. It's my flying combination, not my daily combination. Just it's my, I'm not going to get off this plane in the middle of a takeoff combination. I belong with you, yes.

[00:17:14] Because I have a huge fear of flying. It doesn't make me want to kill people. It just makes me want to relax and sleep. Or forget. I don't forget anything. No. I mean, you would have to be on a lot to forget. Yeah. Seriously. For sure. So, because this happened, the family obviously suffered tremendously. And then, also going on in the background, Tim and Suzette Tabor, they also resided in the 200 block of Bowtree Drive.

[00:17:42] And that couple had a daughter, Crystal Noel, who unfortunately passed at the age of 14 due to ovarian cancer. Oh, my God. I know. 14 years? Oh, that's tragic. Right. And this happened several years, probably about a decade previous their daughter had died. Because Nino Jr. and Gina and their daughter, Crystal Noel, were friends. Okay. Right. So, they had their own stuff going on. Got it. And they're 30 at this point. So, if she died at 14, got it. Okay. Yeah.

[00:18:08] So, when this Glegitano murder slash suicide attempt occurred, Nino Jr. found some solace in a relationship with Tim and Suzette because they both were on the same block. And they, you know, both suffered tremendous losses. They had a loss that they don't know. Yeah. Yeah. And according to Tim Tabor, his wife Suzette became sort of a surrogate mother to Nino Jr. Okay. That seems nice. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a little worried where this story's going to go. Yes. Exactly. It should be. Because it's not a healthy relationship for anyone.

[00:18:37] Nino Jr. and Suzette were arrested in April of 2012 together at a home with Sweets in 2012. After reports of a disturbance in the room, the pair was found with crack cocaine, a pipe, other drug paraphernalia, and 63 amphetamine salt tablets. Oh, and a 9mm handgun. Of course. Yeah. Tabor went on to a drug diversion program while Nino Jr. received 18 months probation.

[00:19:02] I just want to point out, not to be really creepy, but this would be like in 15 years if one of us was like having a relationship with one of your all's kids. That's very creepy. But it wasn't like a sex. They did not have a sexual relationship. Oh, bullshit. They absolutely. Yes, they were at the home with Sweets 100%. They were on all those drugs. Yes, they were having sex for sure. Melanie, did you think they were having sex?

[00:19:30] It seems very odd that they would not be. Yeah. Okay. What are they doing at the home with Sweets? Well, that's true. Can I just say, for the record, I stayed at the nicest home with Sweets I've ever stayed at over Christmas break. So, sorry to make this company the name. It doesn't want to be on the podcast, but I think they're a lovely company. Oh, I've stayed at many home with Sweets. I am not knocking that.

[00:19:55] I'm just saying, why would you be staying at one in your hometown with a woman 20 years older than you who had a lot of drugs? Well, y'all make it sound like that. I see it. I didn't see it before. It's because you had mom blinders on. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yep. So, one of them was sentenced to, like, rehab and the other was to probation. I think it's weird they didn't get the same sentence. Yeah, that is weird. That is weird.

[00:20:22] But things get even more ugly than this. In January of 2013, less than two years after his mother killed his father and attempted to kill herself, Nino Jr. and Suzette decided to carry out a suicide pact at 214 Road Drive. Stop it. Yes. Yes.

[00:20:39] So, after neighbors called police upon hearing gunshots, police arrived to find 50-year-old Suzette Tabor dead with a self-inflicted gunshot wound and 31-year-old Nino Jr. miraculously still alive after shooting himself in the chest. According to Suzette's husband, Tim, as soon as he heard ambulances and police on Bow Drive, he knew it was because of Suzette and Nico.

[00:21:01] And his reports came out that stated that Suzette had shot Nico before shooting herself, but Nino was firm in stating that she did not, admitting that the two did have a suicide pact. And sadly, two months after this, Tim also committed suicide in his home at 200 Bow Tree Drive. Oh, my gosh. Yes. I don't even want to live on this block. It's a lot of collateral damage from this one instance, it seems like. Like, yeah. This is awful. And I think the fact that immediately when Tim heard the shots, he knew.

[00:21:31] I know. That's so sad. Yeah. Supposedly, he had been begging each of them separately to separate from each other because he could kind of see where this was going. They were just a bad influence. And I mean, I don't want to talk about her, Suzette, because I mean, I understand that her daughter had died young, but she also had two sons that were living as well.

[00:21:52] But in Nico's mind, I mean, I don't know, he went through this downward spiral after his parents, after his father died, and mom's in jail, and he started going through the drugs. I could sort of see this, and maybe there's some guilt about how he had not let his mom die or that he hadn't called the police.

[00:22:17] There could be a lot that we could be, you know, I'm just kind of thinking through, putting myself in his position. I think they both would have done well in therapy. Like, therapy was called for in this situation. Totally. And maybe they had it too, but yeah, that's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot going on in that family that is not well documented at all. But we know, sister's fine, Gina, right? Gina, I looked Gina up.

[00:22:47] She's on social media. She's got an Instagram and Facebook, and it looks like she lives in Florida now, and as far as I know, did not try to kill herself at any point. And Nico or Nino, he's fine. Nino. He lived? Nino lived, and he is fine. And in fact, there's a podcast that I found that he has been on. It's a local to Wilmington, Delaware area podcast. And he said that. He's fine. He's been sober. I think the last recording that I listened to was in 2022 maybe.

[00:23:17] And as of then, he'd been sober for 13 years and was fine. Though he does not talk to Gina anymore. They had some sort of terrible falling out. They don't speak anymore. And he had an older half-sibling whom he doesn't speak to at all either. Like the family's just like torn apart. Yeah. I mean, as one would be. Right. Yeah. So unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, Donna, you know, she was serving that great 15-year sentence.

[00:23:45] But she died before the 15 years were up. She died of surgical complications due to the treatment of a stomach ulcer in June of 2020. Well, that's sad. Yeah. Stomach ulcer. That's so standard. It sounded like it was complications from the surgery. Like something. Yeah. She was going in for a checkup after the surgery, and she died. I don't know. That's very weird. Yeah. Well, that's unfortunate. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So, this was really short. That's okay. Tell us what happened to the house. Okay.

[00:24:14] So, 214 Bow Drive. Bow Tree Drive. Bow Tree Drive. Thank you. The Skiglianos home, from what I can tell from tax rolls, which Delaware has a lot of really good information on the tax rolls in there. I mean, remember, they're a real good tax-free state. Oh, there you go. There you go. They purchased, the Skiglianos purchased the home in 1991 from the builder for $243,000, which seems like a really good amount in 1991. It's a nice house. Yeah.

[00:24:39] And after the murder of Nino Sr., the home remained deeded to Donna and Nino until June of 2016, when it was sold to Mile High Investments for $305,000. So, still looking, you know, decent. But it looks like Mile High Investments flipped the home because they sold the home the following year for $280,000. That appears to have been sold to another investment company who has been leasing it out. And the last sold date is November of 2022 for $180,000. Oh. Yeah. It's not doing well.

[00:25:09] Not doing well at all. Mm-mm. I also found it interesting that the most recent listing agent did not put a photo of the front of the home. The home is easily noticeable on Google Maps. So, I think that's probably why she put a picture of the back deck but not the front. Mm-mm. Because on Google Photos, on the maps of Google, it's a really clear, good picture of the front of the home. So, I wonder if that has something to do with it. And then, it may also be worth noting that according to Delaware Law, if a potential buyer

[00:25:36] asks in writing if there was a physiological impact in the home, it has to be disclosed unless it's in writing by the buyer. And Melanie helped research this. You might have more to add to that. Yeah. It was just interesting that, so, physiological impact is different from a physical impact. A physical impact is, you know, is there something leaking? Is there, you know, air conditioning? Like in Texas, you have to disclose. Yeah. If it's physical with a property.

[00:26:03] So, you don't have to give physiological, which seems more like emotional kind of related. It's their euphemism that they're saying here. Except if the buyer requests that from the seller or the realtor or the mortgage owner in writing. So, if they're in writing, it's so random.

[00:26:29] Like one of the articles I read was like, if you are worried about ghosts and if you put it in writing, then they have to answer to the best of their own knowledge and good faith. So, kind of weird. But, Joe, and I cannot say the last name. Say it again for me. Skiglatanu. So, that was Donna's older son, the half-brother.

[00:26:56] And he recently, you know, he was in an article and he said, he called the house a house of horrors. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, exactly. It's hard to wrap your arms around the fact that the family that you grew up with, the home you grew up in, is essentially now a house of horrors. I mean, like, and that just, I mean, it seems to kind of describe that, describe the whole neighbors. So, I don't know.

[00:27:23] I know what you're going to ask and I'm going to say no, no. No, no. Okay. Yeah. What about the block? Maybe I might sell something on the block. I don't know. This whole area just sounds good. And to any of our listeners, we usually ask, would you live there? Would you list it? And, you know, I'm not a huge vibey person, but this one, this one, I feel some bad juju. Okay. Interesting. Yeah, I'm a no and a no.

[00:27:53] It's too much. It's more than one thing. It's more than one family. I don't like it. Yeah. There was a murder. There was a suicide. There was an attempted suicide. No. And relatively recently, too. That's the other thing that, you know, it's, it's once again, if it was something a hundred years ago, even 50 years ago, I could maybe, you know, but yeah, this is where the neighbors still remember it. Right. Yeah.

[00:28:19] And, you know, if this were, you know, a sprawling mansion on acreage where you could, you know, envision it happening somewhere else except for where you are, that's different than like, it's, you know, it's still 3,000 square feet, but it's like everything happened right here. You know, dad was shot in the living room, you know, where she killed herself. It's too much. Yeah. Yeah, totally. I agree. A hundred percent. Oh, I was waiting for you to just shock us. Oh no. And be like, oh no, I would have no problem. Nope. Not even on the block.

[00:28:49] Not in the city. You know what? But I'm going to take it one step further. I don't think I would live in, was it Tim or Tom and Suzette's house? Tim. I don't think I would live there or list that one either. Oh really? Yeah. Maybe list it, but I don't think I'd live there. It's too much. There's a lot going on. And I don't think I want to live on the whole block. I agree. Now, would I list something on the block? Sure. But the whole block, like that's just sad. Yeah. It really, really is.

[00:29:15] And because she doesn't know what, she doesn't remember, supposedly didn't remember doing that at all. You don't think so? There's a lot. There's a lot weird here. I'm kind of surprised that Gina and Nico Jr. were never charged with anything. I was just thinking about that. At 30 years old, how do you not get charged for, I don't even know what that crime would be, not reporting a crime? Like an accessory?

[00:29:45] Yeah. Something. Yeah. They admitted it, obviously. I don't even think I would admit it. But there's two of you and your mom. Yeah. It's not like it's just one person and it can be my word against yours. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of weirdness. There's backstory there that we don't know yet and it may or may not come out. And I researched this for days and I couldn't find anything. Like every single, I clicked every single website. I'm like, surely there's something. Well, I think you're right.

[00:30:12] I think there's nothing there and I think they're keeping it tight to the chest. But there's something there. Most of the people are dead now. Yeah. Yeah. You just don't walk in and find your father dead on the couch without some sort of background story. That's what I think. I think you're right that it seems as though maybe they had a difficult upbringing with him and this is all speculation, obviously. Totally.

[00:30:41] But I mean, I guess I could see that. You shouldn't listen to this podcast if you don't want a little bit of speculation. True. I mean, we bring the hard facts to you. Yeah. But. Well, any podcast, everyone puts their opinion in. Exactly. But yeah, I mean, I can see that happening where that they didn't. I'm sure that you feel bad if your parent dies, but maybe it's kind of like, well. Well, I don't know how you don't call paramedics to come help your mom who's just overdosed. Yeah, that too. So what is that story? What is that relationship? Yeah.

[00:31:10] There's a lot going on. Definitely. I agree. There's not a lot here from what we could research, but it's a fascinating story and I'm really glad you brought it to us today. Yeah. And I think it's a really good example of how it seems as though the home price was really affected by what happened. I mean, they bought it for $243 and it last sold for $180. Yeah. With years in between. Years. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. Thanks for listening. Sorry it was short. Yeah.

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